aero glass it usefull

Just installed Vista, no issues. But the Aero Glass look, I just don't see any value. Tell me what advantage there is to Aero? Are the default settings for Aero after a fresh install OK, or does more adjusting need to be done to get the best of Aero?
JS

If you don't see the value then don't bother with it. It is a personalization feature. To each his own.
"JS" <@> wrote in message

Just installed Vista, no issues. But the Aero Glass look, I just don't see any value. Tell me what advantage there is to Aero? Are the default settings for Aero after a fresh install OK, or does more adjusting need to be done to get the best of Aero?
JS

"JS" <@> wrote in message

Just installed Vista, no issues. But the Aero Glass look, I just don't see any value. Tell me what advantage there is to Aero? Are the default settings for Aero after a fresh install OK, or does more adjusting need to be done to get the best of Aero?

It has the same amount of value as a beautiful lady in a low cut red dress.
It's eye candy. ;-)
-Michael

You are sure that you're viewing Aero Glass and not just Aero Basic, aren't you? Aero Basic is ugly. (and many others agree) "MICHAEL" wrote in message

"JS" <@> wrote in message Just installed Vista, no issues. But the Aero Glass look, I just don't see any value. Tell me what advantage there is to Aero? Are the default settings for Aero after a fresh install OK, or does more adjusting need to be done to get the best of Aero?
It has the same amount of value as a beautiful lady in a low cut red dress.
It's eye candy. ;-)
-Michael

"MICHAEL" wrote in message

"JS" <@> wrote in message Just installed Vista, no issues. But the Aero Glass look, I just don't see any value. Tell me what advantage there is to Aero? Are the default settings for Aero after a fresh install OK, or does more adjusting need to be done to get the best of Aero?
It has the same amount of value as a beautiful lady in a low cut red dress.
It's eye candy. ;-)
-Michael

If you believe they are of equal value, then your priorities are really, really wrong :)

"Tom Scales" wrote in message

"MICHAEL" wrote in message "JS" <@> wrote in message Just installed Vista, no issues. But the Aero Glass look, I just don't see any value. Tell me what advantage there is to Aero? Are the default settings for Aero after a fresh install OK, or does more adjusting need to be done to get the best of Aero?
It has the same amount of value as a beautiful lady in a low cut red dress.
It's eye candy. ;-)
-Michael
If you believe they are of equal value, then your priorities are really, really wrong :)

What's on the inside is most important. ;-)
Don't be so superficial. :-)
-Michael

Is there an easy way to identify which mode Glass or Basic?
JS
"Travis King" wrote in message

You are sure that you're viewing Aero Glass and not just Aero Basic, aren't you? Aero Basic is ugly. (and many others agree) "MICHAEL" wrote in message "JS" <@> wrote in message Just installed Vista, no issues. But the Aero Glass look, I just don't see any value. Tell me what advantage there is to Aero? Are the default settings for Aero after a fresh install OK, or does more adjusting need to be done to get the best of Aero?
It has the same amount of value as a beautiful lady in a low cut red dress.
It's eye candy. ;-)
-Michael

Do you see a semi-transparent Task Bar?
"JS" <@> wrote in message

Is there an easy way to identify which mode Glass or Basic?
JS
"Travis King" wrote in message You are sure that you're viewing Aero Glass and not just Aero Basic, aren't you? Aero Basic is ugly. (and many others agree) "MICHAEL" wrote in message "JS" <@> wrote in message Just installed Vista, no issues. But the Aero Glass look, I just don't see any value. Tell me what advantage there is to Aero? Are the default settings for Aero after a fresh install OK, or does more adjusting need to be done to get the best of Aero?
It has the same amount of value as a beautiful lady in a low cut red dress.
It's eye candy. ;-)
-Michael

Yes!
JS
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message

Do you see a semi-transparent Task Bar?
"JS" <@> wrote in message Is there an easy way to identify which mode Glass or Basic?
JS
"Travis King" wrote in message You are sure that you're viewing Aero Glass and not just Aero Basic, aren't you? Aero Basic is ugly. (and many others agree) "MICHAEL" wrote in message "JS" <@> wrote in message Just installed Vista, no issues. But the Aero Glass look, I just don't see any value. Tell me what advantage there is to Aero? Are the default settings for Aero after a fresh install OK, or does more adjusting need to be done to get the best of Aero?
It has the same amount of value as a beautiful lady in a low cut red dress.
It's eye candy. ;-)
-Michael

That's Glass.
"JS" <@> wrote in message

Yes!
JS
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message Do you see a semi-transparent Task Bar?
"JS" <@> wrote in message Is there an easy way to identify which mode Glass or Basic?
JS
"Travis King" wrote in message You are sure that you're viewing Aero Glass and not just Aero Basic, aren't you? Aero Basic is ugly. (and many others agree) "MICHAEL" wrote in message "JS" <@> wrote in message Just installed Vista, no issues. But the Aero Glass look, I just don't see any value. Tell me what advantage there is to Aero? Are the default settings for Aero after a fresh install OK, or does more adjusting need to be done to get the best of Aero?
It has the same amount of value as a beautiful lady in a low cut red dress.
It's eye candy. ;-)
-Michael

Thanks
I'll try it for a while to see if there is any value.
JS
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message

That's Glass.
"JS" <@> wrote in message Yes!
JS
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message Do you see a semi-transparent Task Bar?
"JS" <@> wrote in message Is there an easy way to identify which mode Glass or Basic?
JS
"Travis King" wrote in message You are sure that you're viewing Aero Glass and not just Aero Basic, aren't you? Aero Basic is ugly. (and many others agree) "MICHAEL" wrote in message "JS" <@> wrote in message Just installed Vista, no issues. But the Aero Glass look, I just don't see any value. Tell me what advantage there is to Aero? Are the default settings for Aero after a fresh install OK, or does more adjusting need to be done to get the best of Aero?
It has the same amount of value as a beautiful lady in a low cut red dress.
It's eye candy. ;-)
-Michael

Have you experimented with Flip-3D (windows key + tab), Flip with live thumbnails (alt + tab), and the live thumbnail previews? Those are all parts of Glass and without Glass, you cannot have those. "JS" <@> wrote in message

Thanks
I'll try it for a while to see if there is any value.
JS
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message That's Glass.
"JS" <@> wrote in message Yes!
JS
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message Do you see a semi-transparent Task Bar?
"JS" <@> wrote in message Is there an easy way to identify which mode Glass or Basic?
JS
"Travis King" wrote in message You are sure that you're viewing Aero Glass and not just Aero Basic, aren't you? Aero Basic is ugly. (and many others agree) "MICHAEL" wrote in message "JS" <@> wrote in message Just installed Vista, no issues. But the Aero Glass look, I just don't see any value. Tell me what advantage there is to Aero? Are the default settings for Aero after a fresh install OK, or does more adjusting need to be done to get the best of Aero?
It has the same amount of value as a beautiful lady in a low cut red dress.
It's eye candy. ;-)
-Michael

Thanks, I'll try it.
JS
"Travis King" wrote in message

Have you experimented with Flip-3D (windows key + tab), Flip with live thumbnails (alt + tab), and the live thumbnail previews? Those are all parts of Glass and without Glass, you cannot have those. "JS" <@> wrote in message Thanks
I'll try it for a while to see if there is any value.
JS
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message That's Glass.
"JS" <@> wrote in message Yes!
JS
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message Do you see a semi-transparent Task Bar?
"JS" <@> wrote in message Is there an easy way to identify which mode Glass or Basic?
JS
"Travis King" wrote in message You are sure that you're viewing Aero Glass and not just Aero Basic, aren't you? Aero Basic is ugly. (and many others agree) "MICHAEL" wrote in message "JS" <@> wrote in message Just installed Vista, no issues. But the Aero Glass look, I just don't see any value. Tell me what advantage there is to Aero? Are the default settings for Aero after a fresh install OK, or does more adjusting need to be done to get the best of Aero?
It has the same amount of value as a beautiful lady in a low cut red dress.
It's eye candy. ;-)
-Michael

The quick launch toolbar icon for flip3d is back in build 5456. It was out for a couple of builds. When you get to RC1 you will be able to use flip3d with the mouse.
"Travis King" wrote in message

Have you experimented with Flip-3D (windows key + tab), Flip with live thumbnails (alt + tab), and the live thumbnail previews? Those are all parts of Glass and without Glass, you cannot have those. "JS" <@> wrote in message Thanks
I'll try it for a while to see if there is any value.
JS
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message That's Glass.
"JS" <@> wrote in message Yes!
JS
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message Do you see a semi-transparent Task Bar?
"JS" <@> wrote in message Is there an easy way to identify which mode Glass or Basic?
JS
"Travis King" wrote in message You are sure that you're viewing Aero Glass and not just Aero Basic, aren't you? Aero Basic is ugly. (and many others agree) "MICHAEL" wrote in message "JS" <@> wrote in message Just installed Vista, no issues. But the Aero Glass look, I just don't see any value. Tell me what advantage there is to Aero? Are the default settings for Aero after a fresh install OK, or does more adjusting need to be done to get the best of Aero?
It has the same amount of value as a beautiful lady in a low cut red dress.
It's eye candy. ;-)
-Michael

Good to know. Thanks. From screenies I've seen on 5456, I've seen a few subtle changes. Is it true that there is a new cursor scheme in place? I saw a screenshot of a new cursor scheme. (Unless someone just edited it.) The thing I don't like about the cursors is the 'stub' on the cursor is a little too short in my opinion, but maybe that's just because I've been used to the same cursor for seven years now. The Windows Mail icon has changed and is no longer the old OE icon. Colin mentioned the Flip-3D icon returning. It also appears that your icon on the logon screen is larger now. I also saw that the 'add gadgets' window is not completely transparent. The installation window also adds 'Check compatibility online' just above the 'Install now' option. I also noticed a few subtle changes in the task manager such as the 'services' tab. The system performance rating number (at least in the system properties window) no longer is in the shape of a circle but is instead in the shape of a square. A few changes in the networking section. A few new icons. And so on... "Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message

The quick launch toolbar icon for flip3d is back in build 5456. It was out for a couple of builds. When you get to RC1 you will be able to use flip3d with the mouse.
"Travis King" wrote in message Have you experimented with Flip-3D (windows key + tab), Flip with live thumbnails (alt + tab), and the live thumbnail previews? Those are all parts of Glass and without Glass, you cannot have those. "JS" <@> wrote in message Thanks
I'll try it for a while to see if there is any value.
JS
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message That's Glass.
"JS" <@> wrote in message Yes!
JS
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message Do you see a semi-transparent Task Bar?
"JS" <@> wrote in message Is there an easy way to identify which mode Glass or Basic?
JS
"Travis King" wrote in message You are sure that you're viewing Aero Glass and not just Aero Basic, aren't you? Aero Basic is ugly. (and many others agree) "MICHAEL" wrote in message "JS" <@> wrote in message Just installed Vista, no issues. But the Aero Glass look, I just don't see any value. Tell me what advantage there is to Aero? Are the default settings for Aero after a fresh install OK, or does more adjusting need to be done to get the best of Aero?
It has the same amount of value as a beautiful lady in a low cut red dress.
It's eye candy. ;-)
-Michael

Yes, the new cursor scheme is there. There are lots of changes as the result of tester feedback.
"Travis King" wrote in message

Good to know. Thanks. From screenies I've seen on 5456, I've seen a few subtle changes. Is it true that there is a new cursor scheme in place? I saw a screenshot of a new cursor scheme. (Unless someone just edited it.) The thing I don't like about the cursors is the 'stub' on the cursor is a little too short in my opinion, but maybe that's just because I've been used to the same cursor for seven years now. The Windows Mail icon has changed and is no longer the old OE icon. Colin mentioned the Flip-3D icon returning. It also appears that your icon on the logon screen is larger now. I also saw that the 'add gadgets' window is not completely transparent. The installation window also adds 'Check compatibility online' just above the 'Install now' option. I also noticed a few subtle changes in the task manager such as the 'services' tab. The system performance rating number (at least in the system properties window) no longer is in the shape of a circle but is instead in the shape of a square. A few changes in the networking section. A few new icons. And so on... "Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message The quick launch toolbar icon for flip3d is back in build 5456. It was out for a couple of builds. When you get to RC1 you will be able to use flip3d with the mouse.
"Travis King" wrote in message Have you experimented with Flip-3D (windows key + tab), Flip with live thumbnails (alt + tab), and the live thumbnail previews? Those are all parts of Glass and without Glass, you cannot have those. "JS" <@> wrote in message Thanks
I'll try it for a while to see if there is any value.
JS
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message That's Glass.
"JS" <@> wrote in message Yes!
JS
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message Do you see a semi-transparent Task Bar?
"JS" <@> wrote in message Is there an easy way to identify which mode Glass or Basic?
JS
"Travis King" wrote in message You are sure that you're viewing Aero Glass and not just Aero Basic, aren't you? Aero Basic is ugly. (and many others agree) "MICHAEL" wrote in message "JS" <@> wrote in message Just installed Vista, no issues. But the Aero Glass look, I just don't see any value. Tell me what advantage there is to Aero? Are the default settings for Aero after a fresh install OK, or does more adjusting need to be done to get the best of Aero?
It has the same amount of value as a beautiful lady in a low cut red dress.
It's eye candy. ;-)
-Michael

You can turn off aero glass and you can use a key combo to turn it off and on.
If you find the Aero Glass user interface annoying, orif it is slow on your computer configuration, simply press Ctrl+Shift+F9 to turn it off. Press this key combination again to re-enable it.
Aero glass is just marketing to people who would rather that it look good than work well. MSFT has done tons of focus groups where the result was that the unwashed masses of MSFT customers that they consider condescendingly as stupid and manipulable don't care whether something functions well as long as it "looks cool."
If you do a careful analysis of most of the promotions that MSFT makes for Office any version or Windows any version they appeal to lower common denominators, are vague and devoid of detailed information on features, and are presented in superficial generalities.
Some of us watched a really moronic presentation by someone "from MSFT" at a joint AMD presentation and quickly realized he new next to nothing about Windows. We were peppered by such crebreal insights as "Windows XP SP2 is a really great operating system" and "Vista is really cool and will be a big deal."
The OEM system builders that were a large part of the audience, hammered him with questions like "Why are we required by MSFT to provide genuine retail media and your named partners provide crap recovery discs and partitions that just don't work"?
Answer: "Ya wanna buy 50, 000 OEM preinstalls of Windows and then we'll letcha screw the public just like the large OEMs." Also amusingly MSFT's new mantra at these events is "we're really going after people who sell pirated software." Fact: You're going after the 1% of people you can find mostly in the US despite your cloak and dagger hiring investigators to wait in cars in European alleys."
To why is WGA calling home: "We're um considering what to do and it will probably do this less." Questioner: No --you don't get it we'll just remove the component that calls home with software that's all over the web.
At no time did it occur to the MSFT presenter that the OEM software crap they hose the public with works for anything. One of the bright bulbs from AMD chimed into a question about losing the media from the 300 named partners and the OEM system builders replacing it that "when they lose the recovery CD it's like the idiots lose a $100 bill." Far from it processor boy, its actually that they lose a piece of worthless crap on a disc.
Aero glass effect much better than MSFT has in Vista and its spinoffs and sequels Aurora, Diamond ect. have been available for several years via 3rd party and they are all over the web. So are 3D effects that MSFT may never include in the OS. The caviat is you have to watch their CPU use.
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/28854588/
http://www.hardwaregeeks.com/board/showthread.php?t=17537
CH
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message

If you don't see the value then don't bother with it. It is a personalization feature. To each his own.
"JS" <@> wrote in message Just installed Vista, no issues. But the Aero Glass look, I just don't see any value. Tell me what advantage there is to Aero? Are the default settings for Aero after a fresh install OK, or does more adjusting need to be done to get the best of Aero?
JS

Don't hold back, Chad, tell us what you really think.
"Chad Harris" <Bushisamoron.net> wrote in message

You can turn off aero glass and you can use a key combo to turn it off and on.
If you find the Aero Glass user interface annoying, orif it is slow on your computer configuration, simply press Ctrl+Shift+F9 to turn it off. Press this key combination again to re-enable it.
Aero glass is just marketing to people who would rather that it look good than work well. MSFT has done tons of focus groups where the result was that the unwashed masses of MSFT customers that they consider condescendingly as stupid and manipulable don't care whether something functions well as long as it "looks cool."
If you do a careful analysis of most of the promotions that MSFT makes for Office any version or Windows any version they appeal to lower common denominators, are vague and devoid of detailed information on features, and are presented in superficial generalities.
Some of us watched a really moronic presentation by someone "from MSFT" at a joint AMD presentation and quickly realized he new next to nothing about Windows. We were peppered by such crebreal insights as "Windows XP SP2 is a really great operating system" and "Vista is really cool and will be a big deal."
The OEM system builders that were a large part of the audience, hammered him with questions like "Why are we required by MSFT to provide genuine retail media and your named partners provide crap recovery discs and partitions that just don't work"?
Answer: "Ya wanna buy 50, 000 OEM preinstalls of Windows and then we'll letcha screw the public just like the large OEMs." Also amusingly MSFT's new mantra at these events is "we're really going after people who sell pirated software." Fact: You're going after the 1% of people you can find mostly in the US despite your cloak and dagger hiring investigators to wait in cars in European alleys."
To why is WGA calling home: "We're um considering what to do and it will probably do this less." Questioner: No --you don't get it we'll just remove the component that calls home with software that's all over the web.
At no time did it occur to the MSFT presenter that the OEM software crap they hose the public with works for anything. One of the bright bulbs from AMD chimed into a question about losing the media from the 300 named partners and the OEM system builders replacing it that "when they lose the recovery CD it's like the idiots lose a $100 bill." Far from it processor boy, its actually that they lose a piece of worthless crap on a disc.
Aero glass effect much better than MSFT has in Vista and its spinoffs and sequels Aurora, Diamond ect. have been available for several years via 3rd party and they are all over the web. So are 3D effects that MSFT may never include in the OS. The caviat is you have to watch their CPU use.
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/28854588/
http://www.hardwaregeeks.com/board/showthread.php?t=17537
CH
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message If you don't see the value then don't bother with it. It is a personalization feature. To each his own.
"JS" <@> wrote in message Just installed Vista, no issues. But the Aero Glass look, I just don't see any value. Tell me what advantage there is to Aero? Are the default settings for Aero after a fresh install OK, or does more adjusting need to be done to get the best of Aero?
JS

Too much superficial holding back. Too much obsequieous behavior by people who hope to be included in whatever Beta. Too much screwing of a large base of their customers. Too much sucking up that reminds me of elementary school brown nosing. What I really think is I can see in countless threads that OEM named partners make tons by not supporting customers and MSFT is indifferent to this. OEM named partners refuse to supply customers with adequate media or partitions to reach Win RE in Vista or the Startup Recovery tools in Win RE and they refuse to supply customers with the same to do a repair install in XP. I really think this cycle is going to repeat itself in Vista and I heard MSFT give stupid answers to this very issue raised by multiple OEM system builders last night.
I will try not to hold back. Holding back is for the superficial and it is what sheep urge. LOL the stupid administration of your country wanted the NY Times to hold back the SWIFT surveillance program and the wiretapping surveillance and threatened them. Those kind of threats to the press have ended very poorly for the administration threatening. MSFT was asked on June 1 and June 2 to turn over all their customer private information and web searches via MSN for 2 years and save them and hold back that info from their customers.
CH


"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message

Don't hold back, Chad, tell us what you really think.
"Chad Harris" <Bushisamoron.net> wrote in message You can turn off aero glass and you can use a key combo to turn it off and on.
If you find the Aero Glass user interface annoying, orif it is slow on your computer configuration, simply press Ctrl+Shift+F9 to turn it off. Press this key combination again to re-enable it.
Aero glass is just marketing to people who would rather that it look good than work well. MSFT has done tons of focus groups where the result was that the unwashed masses of MSFT customers that they consider condescendingly as stupid and manipulable don't care whether something functions well as long as it "looks cool."
If you do a careful analysis of most of the promotions that MSFT makes for Office any version or Windows any version they appeal to lower common denominators, are vague and devoid of detailed information on features, and are presented in superficial generalities.
Some of us watched a really moronic presentation by someone "from MSFT" at a joint AMD presentation and quickly realized he new next to nothing about Windows. We were peppered by such crebreal insights as "Windows XP SP2 is a really great operating system" and "Vista is really cool and will be a big deal."
The OEM system builders that were a large part of the audience, hammered him with questions like "Why are we required by MSFT to provide genuine retail media and your named partners provide crap recovery discs and partitions that just don't work"?
Answer: "Ya wanna buy 50, 000 OEM preinstalls of Windows and then we'll letcha screw the public just like the large OEMs." Also amusingly MSFT's new mantra at these events is "we're really going after people who sell pirated software." Fact: You're going after the 1% of people you can find mostly in the US despite your cloak and dagger hiring investigators to wait in cars in European alleys."
To why is WGA calling home: "We're um considering what to do and it will probably do this less." Questioner: No --you don't get it we'll just remove the component that calls home with software that's all over the web.
At no time did it occur to the MSFT presenter that the OEM software crap they hose the public with works for anything. One of the bright bulbs from AMD chimed into a question about losing the media from the 300 named partners and the OEM system builders replacing it that "when they lose the recovery CD it's like the idiots lose a $100 bill." Far from it processor boy, its actually that they lose a piece of worthless crap on a disc.
Aero glass effect much better than MSFT has in Vista and its spinoffs and sequels Aurora, Diamond ect. have been available for several years via 3rd party and they are all over the web. So are 3D effects that MSFT may never include in the OS. The caviat is you have to watch their CPU use.
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/28854588/
http://www.hardwaregeeks.com/board/showthread.php?t=17537
CH
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message If you don't see the value then don't bother with it. It is a personalization feature. To each his own.
"JS" <@> wrote in message Just installed Vista, no issues. But the Aero Glass look, I just don't see any value. Tell me what advantage there is to Aero? Are the default settings for Aero after a fresh install OK, or does more adjusting need to be done to get the best of Aero?
JS

On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 03:34:13 -0400, "Chad Harris" <Bushisamoron.net> wrote:
What I really think is I can see in countless threads
snip

that OEM named partners make tons by not supporting customers and MSFT is indifferent to this. OEM named partners refuse to supply customers with adequate media or partitions to reach Win RE in Vista or the Startup Recovery tools in Win RE and they refuse to supply customers with the same to do a repair install in XP. I really think this cycle is going to repeat itself in Vista and I heard MSFT give stupid answers to this very issue raised by multiple OEM system builders last night.

I totally agree with this Chad, the problem IMO is lack of education in new / non-enthusiast users. I always advise anybody who asks to have a PC built to spec by a small OEM retailer and insist on a full MSFT OEM disk and to go nowhere near the likes of Dell, HP, PC World etc. The current PC World TV ads in the UK make me cringe, £495 for a crap laptop stuffed to the brim with "value added" spyware and they chuck in NIS 2006 for 1/2 Price. Also they go on at length about "surfing the net in the garden" without once mentioning an internet connection and wireless router might possibly be an idea.
The only way this is going to change is for a massive public outcry combined with a proper popular press campaign to shine light on this issue (and the WGA fiasco) while they are at it, otherwise people will continue to "pay peanuts get monkeys" which is OK if they are aware thats what they are getting, trouble is people are not aware they are being conned.

snip

Jonah

"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message Don't hold back, Chad, tell us what you really think.
"Chad Harris" <Bushisamoron.net> wrote in message You can turn off aero glass and you can use a key combo to turn it off and on.
If you find the Aero Glass user interface annoying, orif it is slow on your computer configuration, simply press Ctrl+Shift+F9 to turn it off. Press this key combination again to re-enable it.
Aero glass is just marketing to people who would rather that it look good than work well. MSFT has done tons of focus groups where the result was that the unwashed masses of MSFT customers that they consider condescendingly as stupid and manipulable don't care whether something functions well as long as it "looks cool."
If you do a careful analysis of most of the promotions that MSFT makes for Office any version or Windows any version they appeal to lower common denominators, are vague and devoid of detailed information on features, and are presented in superficial generalities.
Some of us watched a really moronic presentation by someone "from MSFT" at a joint AMD presentation and quickly realized he new next to nothing about Windows. We were peppered by such crebreal insights as "Windows XP SP2 is a really great operating system" and "Vista is really cool and will be a big deal."
The OEM system builders that were a large part of the audience, hammered him with questions like "Why are we required by MSFT to provide genuine retail media and your named partners provide crap recovery discs and partitions that just don't work"?
Answer: "Ya wanna buy 50, 000 OEM preinstalls of Windows and then we'll letcha screw the public just like the large OEMs." Also amusingly MSFT's new mantra at these events is "we're really going after people who sell pirated software." Fact: You're going after the 1% of people you can find mostly in the US despite your cloak and dagger hiring investigators to wait in cars in European alleys."
To why is WGA calling home: "We're um considering what to do and it will probably do this less." Questioner: No --you don't get it we'll just remove the component that calls home with software that's all over the web.
At no time did it occur to the MSFT presenter that the OEM software crap they hose the public with works for anything. One of the bright bulbs from AMD chimed into a question about losing the media from the 300 named partners and the OEM system builders replacing it that "when they lose the recovery CD it's like the idiots lose a $100 bill." Far from it processor boy, its actually that they lose a piece of worthless crap on a disc.
Aero glass effect much better than MSFT has in Vista and its spinoffs and sequels Aurora, Diamond ect. have been available for several years via 3rd party and they are all over the web. So are 3D effects that MSFT may never include in the OS. The caviat is you have to watch their CPU use.
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/28854588/
http://www.hardwaregeeks.com/board/showthread.php?t=17537
CH
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message If you don't see the value then don't bother with it. It is a personalization feature. To each his own.
"JS" <@> wrote in message Just installed Vista, no issues. But the Aero Glass look, I just don't see any value. Tell me what advantage there is to Aero? Are the default settings for Aero after a fresh install OK, or does more adjusting need to be done to get the best of Aero?
JS

Aero is the default theme. Like Luna on XP. Glass is the special effects, like transparency. You can have Aero on a Kenmore washing machine but you need a "WDDM compliant card and driver" to get Glass.
"José" wrote in message

On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 01:27:58 -0400, "Chad Harris" <Bushisamoron.net wrote in microsoft.public.windows.vista.general:
If you find the Aero Glass user interface annoying, orif it is slow on your computer configuration, simply press Ctrl+Shift+F9 to turn it off. Press this key combination again to re-enable it.
Nothing happens.......
You are always talking about Aero, about Glass and about Aero Glass. What are these things? -- José

On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 22:15:45 +0200, José wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 01:27:58 -0400, "Chad Harris" <Bushisamoron.net wrote in microsoft.public.windows.vista.general:
If you find the Aero Glass user interface annoying, orif it is slow on your computer configuration, simply press Ctrl+Shift+F9 to turn it off. Press this key combination again to re-enable it.
Nothing happens.......
You are always talking about Aero, about Glass and about Aero Glass. What are these things?

Its just pretty 3d effect windows with glowing colours and the "glass bit" is I assume the transparency allowing you to see through the top window to whats underneath. There is also a function to twist the windows in 3D.
Its all for looks not function, very impressive but is of no real value. If your hardware is not up to it you will only get the normal interface which is little different from XP.
Don't worry about it you are not missing anything massively important, figuring out how to make Vista do your bidding is the important bit and reporting bugs to MSFT.
8-)
Jonah

Good point Jonah. Well said. If it hadn't been so late at the meeting I went to the other night, I would have had a good time with the MSFT turkey they sent from Redmond (way below the usual engineers that speak) and his bullshit.
MSFT will do anything it can to stifle talk that brings up the screwing of their OEM named partner customers.
The test you will never get a softie to take for money or anything of value is you against the Softie trying to fix a blue screen no boot--you have the MSFT media and the softie has the crap they and the OEMs screw their customers with.
MSFT has a slide circulating right now on Vista that states "Industry Forecasts" 475 million PCs first 24 months; Upgradable Installs 200 million PCs meaning the OEM preinstalled boxes whose users get totally screwed unless their smart enough to tell the OEM named partner "Give me a retail DVD" or I won't buy from you or else to buy from an Independent System Builder.
CH
"jonah" wrote in message

On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 03:34:13 -0400, "Chad Harris" <Bushisamoron.net wrote:
What I really think is I can see in countless threads
snip
that OEM named partners make tons by not supporting customers and MSFT is indifferent to this. OEM named partners refuse to supply customers with adequate media or partitions to reach Win RE in Vista or the Startup Recovery tools in Win RE and they refuse to supply customers with the same to do a repair install in XP. I really think this cycle is going to repeat itself in Vista and I heard MSFT give stupid answers to this very issue raised by multiple OEM system builders last night.
I totally agree with this Chad, the problem IMO is lack of education in new / non-enthusiast users. I always advise anybody who asks to have a PC built to spec by a small OEM retailer and insist on a full MSFT OEM disk and to go nowhere near the likes of Dell, HP, PC World etc. The current PC World TV ads in the UK make me cringe, £495 for a crap laptop stuffed to the brim with "value added" spyware and they chuck in NIS 2006 for 1/2 Price. Also they go on at length about "surfing the net in the garden" without once mentioning an internet connection and wireless router might possibly be an idea.
The only way this is going to change is for a massive public outcry combined with a proper popular press campaign to shine light on this issue (and the WGA fiasco) while they are at it, otherwise people will continue to "pay peanuts get monkeys" which is OK if they are aware thats what they are getting, trouble is people are not aware they are being conned.
snip
Jonah


"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message Don't hold back, Chad, tell us what you really think.
"Chad Harris" <Bushisamoron.net> wrote in message You can turn off aero glass and you can use a key combo to turn it off and on.
If you find the Aero Glass user interface annoying, orif it is slow on your computer configuration, simply press Ctrl+Shift+F9 to turn it off. Press this key combination again to re-enable it.
Aero glass is just marketing to people who would rather that it look good than work well. MSFT has done tons of focus groups where the result was that the unwashed masses of MSFT customers that they consider condescendingly as stupid and manipulable don't care whether something functions well as long as it "looks cool."
If you do a careful analysis of most of the promotions that MSFT makes for Office any version or Windows any version they appeal to lower common denominators, are vague and devoid of detailed information on features, and are presented in superficial generalities.
Some of us watched a really moronic presentation by someone "from MSFT" at a joint AMD presentation and quickly realized he new next to nothing about Windows. We were peppered by such crebreal insights as "Windows XP SP2 is a really great operating system" and "Vista is really cool and will be a big deal."
The OEM system builders that were a large part of the audience, hammered him with questions like "Why are we required by MSFT to provide genuine retail media and your named partners provide crap recovery discs and partitions that just don't work"?
Answer: "Ya wanna buy 50, 000 OEM preinstalls of Windows and then we'll letcha screw the public just like the large OEMs." Also amusingly MSFT's new mantra at these events is "we're really going after people who sell pirated software." Fact: You're going after the 1% of people you can find mostly in the US despite your cloak and dagger hiring investigators to wait in cars in European alleys."
To why is WGA calling home: "We're um considering what to do and it will probably do this less." Questioner: No --you don't get it we'll just remove the component that calls home with software that's all over the web.
At no time did it occur to the MSFT presenter that the OEM software crap they hose the public with works for anything. One of the bright bulbs from AMD chimed into a question about losing the media from the 300 named partners and the OEM system builders replacing it that "when they lose the recovery CD it's like the idiots lose a $100 bill." Far from it processor boy, its actually that they lose a piece of worthless crap on a disc.
Aero glass effect much better than MSFT has in Vista and its spinoffs and sequels Aurora, Diamond ect. have been available for several years via 3rd party and they are all over the web. So are 3D effects that MSFT may never include in the OS. The caviat is you have to watch their CPU use.
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/28854588/
http://www.hardwaregeeks.com/board/showthread.php?t=17537
CH
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message If you don't see the value then don't bother with it. It is a personalization feature. To each his own.
"JS" <@> wrote in message Just installed Vista, no issues. But the Aero Glass look, I just don't see any value. Tell me what advantage there is to Aero? Are the default settings for Aero after a fresh install OK, or does more adjusting need to be done to get the best of Aero?
JS

I rarely talk about Aero Glass. It's an eye candy marketing tool that is getting way too much hype which has nothing to do with skill or software reliability--it's basically a function of your walking into a store or going on line and buying a video card adequate to show it. You can google it and get a slew of sites that discuss and feature it.
MSFT would do much better taking their Aero Glass developers and putting that man power into getting many more features stable like System File Checker given that the Redmond softies are paying/hiring developers $3-4000 per day to debug Vista--something you won't see a lot about on Connect.
CH
"José" wrote in message

On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 01:27:58 -0400, "Chad Harris" <Bushisamoron.net wrote in microsoft.public.windows.vista.general:
If you find the Aero Glass user interface annoying, orif it is slow on your computer configuration, simply press Ctrl+Shift+F9 to turn it off. Press this key combination again to re-enable it.
Nothing happens.......
You are always talking about Aero, about Glass and about Aero Glass. What are these things? -- José

On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 01:27:58 -0400, "Chad Harris" <Bushisamoron.net> wrote in microsoft.public.windows.vista.general:

If you find the Aero Glass user interface annoying, orif it is slow on your computer configuration, simply press Ctrl+Shift+F9 to turn it off. Press this key combination again to re-enable it.

Nothing happens.......
You are always talking about Aero, about Glass and about Aero Glass. What are these things? -- José

JS wrote:

Just installed Vista, no issues. But the Aero Glass look, I just don't see any value. Tell me what advantage there is to Aero?

None. It uselessly slows down your machine. It's just eye candy.

Are the default settings for Aero after a fresh install OK, or does more adjusting need to be done to get the best of Aero?
JS

jonah wrote:

I totally agree with this Chad, <snip
Jonah
"Chad Harris" <Bushisamoron.net> wrote in message
If you do a careful analysis of most of the promotions that MSFT makes for Office any version or Windows any version they appeal to lower common denominators, are vague and devoid of detailed information on features, and are presented in superficial generalities.
Some of us watched a really moronic presentation by someone "from MSFT" at a joint AMD presentation and quickly realized he new next to nothing about Windows. We were peppered by such crebreal insights as "Windows XP SP2 is a really great operating system" and "Vista is really cool and will be a big deal."
The OEM system builders that were a large part of the audience, hammered him with questions like "Why are we required by MSFT to provide genuine retail media and your named partners provide crap recovery discs and partitions that just don't work"?
Answer: "Ya wanna buy 50,000 OEM preinstalls of Windows and then we'll letcha screw the public just like the large OEMs." Also amusingly MSFT's new mantra at these events is "we're really going after people who sell pirated software." Fact: You're going after the 1% of people you can find mostly in the US despite your cloak and dagger hiring investigators to wait in cars in European alleys."
To why is WGA calling home: "We're um considering what to do and it will probably do this less." Questioner: No --you don't get it we'll just remove the component that calls home with software that's all over the web. <snip
CH

Definately agreed, couldn't have said it better myself. Glad to see not everyone is a MicroSheep!

I am torn on this one, its useful in its beauty, but it does not serve a direct purporse in terms of the user interface. There are some aspects that users may find productive such as Taskbar thumbnails, Flip, Flip 3D, also, its puts more focus on the content of a window. One thing I never liked about XP was all the blue, even while you were typing a document or reading something, the blue window frame was always in the corner of your eye. AERO from my experience has reduced that. Also, I need to a purpose for my video card, I don't do gaming, so AERO is putting it to good use. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta "rockwell" wrote in message

JS wrote: Just installed Vista, no issues. But the Aero Glass look, I just don't see any value. Tell me what advantage there is to Aero?
None. It uselessly slows down your machine. It's just eye candy.
Are the default settings for Aero after a fresh install OK, or does more adjusting need to be done to get the best of Aero?
JS

On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:03:49 -0600, "Colin Barnhorst" wrote in microsoft.public.windows.vista.general:

Aero is the default theme. Like Luna on XP. Glass is the special effects, like transparency.

I'm unfamiliar with Luna too, although I've been working with XP from the first date of issue.
Anyhow, I see no transparency, the task bar is opaque, and nothing happens when I hit Ctrl Shift F9 -- José

What you are looking for then is "(Microsoft Corporation - WDDM)" following the name of your video adaptor. Look at the upper middle of the Welcome Center or in the Device Manager (expand the Display Adaptors entry). If you do not see the text then your video adaptor or its driver (or both) do not support Glass. There are many other ways to see if Glass is on, but if you close all programs and still do not see transparency in the Task Bar you most likely aren't going to get Glass.
"José" wrote in message

On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:03:49 -0600, "Colin Barnhorst" colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote in microsoft.public.windows.vista.general:
Aero is the default theme. Like Luna on XP. Glass is the special effects, like transparency.
I'm unfamiliar with Luna too, although I've been working with XP from the first date of issue.
Anyhow, I see no transparency, the task bar is opaque, and nothing happens when I hit Ctrl Shift F9 -- José

You keep disappearing and appearing like a magic rabbit. Welcome back again. Just curious about Aero. Usually when certain programs run Aero disappears entirely. Other programs it stays on IE windows, but the task bar goes solid. Is there any rationality to this behaviour?
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

I am torn on this one, its useful in its beauty, but it does not serve a direct purporse in terms of the user interface. There are some aspects that users may find productive such as Taskbar thumbnails, Flip, Flip 3D, also, its puts more focus on the content of a window. One thing I never liked about XP was all the blue, even while you were typing a document or reading something, the blue window frame was always in the corner of your eye. AERO from my experience has reduced that. Also, I need to a purpose for my video card, I don't do gaming, so AERO is putting it to good use. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta "rockwell" wrote in message JS wrote: Just installed Vista, no issues. But the Aero Glass look, I just don't see any value. Tell me what advantage there is to Aero?
None. It uselessly slows down your machine. It's just eye candy.
Are the default settings for Aero after a fresh install OK, or does more adjusting need to be done to get the best of Aero?
JS

"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

I am torn on this one, its useful in its beauty, but it does not serve a direct purporse in terms of the user interface. There are some aspects that users may find productive such as Taskbar thumbnails, Flip, Flip 3D, also, its puts more focus on the content of a window. One thing I never liked about XP was all the blue, even while you were typing a document or reading something, the blue window frame was always in the corner of your eye. AERO from my experience has reduced that. Also, I need to a purpose for my video card, I don't do gaming, so AERO is putting it to good use.

Technicaly you can build an explorer/window system that look 1:1 like Areo, perform the same, and dont need a graphic card older then one in the late 1990s...
But microsoft need to feed decades of legacy code and cant do that without major cpu and GPU power :(
Stephan

-- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta "rockwell" wrote in message JS wrote: Just installed Vista, no issues. But the Aero Glass look, I just don't see any value. Tell me what advantage there is to Aero?
None. It uselessly slows down your machine. It's just eye candy.
Are the default settings for Aero after a fresh install OK, or does more adjusting need to be done to get the best of Aero?
JS

Jose I read all your posts that proclaim how much you aren't familiar with how many things. I have an Rx: Google them. You can search Aero Glass here and learn whatever key combos you need to invoke Aero Glass and you can search it on the web and find whole sites dedicated to it and all the spinoffs and projected spinoffs. MSFT loves to interest users in superficial items that sell boxes and require very little user knowledge and add zero to the actual functionality of the OS, so you can be sure a ton will be written about Aero Glass.
Fixing System File Checker, well that's too much like a real Windows problem for Redmond to be bothered with. Besides Sinofsky had to pull 300 engineers because the European Union has their hands deep into his pocket after VP General Counsel Brad Smith told them to go screw themselves.
CH
"José" wrote in message

On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:03:49 -0600, "Colin Barnhorst" colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote in microsoft.public.windows.vista.general:
Aero is the default theme. Like Luna on XP. Glass is the special effects, like transparency.
I'm unfamiliar with Luna too, although I've been working with XP from the first date of issue.
Anyhow, I see no transparency, the task bar is opaque, and nothing happens when I hit Ctrl Shift F9 -- José